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		<title>By: James Pearce</title>
		<link>http://www.tolaris.com/2009/10/08/replacing-bacula-with-backuppc/comment-page-1/#comment-1340</link>
		<dc:creator>James Pearce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 06:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hah, yes you are right, thanks! The XferLOG doesn&#039;t show up in the &#039;Log Files&#039; section on the host though, it is purely on the host summary page...that&#039;s not particularly unix like (where the de-facto standard seems to be that all logs are stored in a folder named &#039;logs&#039; ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hah, yes you are right, thanks! The XferLOG doesn&#8217;t show up in the &#8216;Log Files&#8217; section on the host though, it is purely on the host summary page&#8230;that&#8217;s not particularly unix like (where the de-facto standard seems to be that all logs are stored in a folder named &#8216;logs&#8217; ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Wagner</title>
		<link>http://www.tolaris.com/2009/10/08/replacing-bacula-with-backuppc/comment-page-1/#comment-1339</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 06:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,

Using rsync, browse a host. Scroll down to Xfer Error Summary, and click on the relevant XferLOG. For me, using rsync, this file contains a list of all directories (changed or unchanged, so not really transferred) and all files (changed only).

It would be nice if it didn&#039;t list directories, but that&#039;s somewhat useful. Do your tar XferLOG files have that?

I agree, it would be useful to have a list of changed files.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,</p>
<p>Using rsync, browse a host. Scroll down to Xfer Error Summary, and click on the relevant XferLOG. For me, using rsync, this file contains a list of all directories (changed or unchanged, so not really transferred) and all files (changed only).</p>
<p>It would be nice if it didn&#8217;t list directories, but that&#8217;s somewhat useful. Do your tar XferLOG files have that?</p>
<p>I agree, it would be useful to have a list of changed files.</p>
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		<title>By: James Pearce</title>
		<link>http://www.tolaris.com/2009/10/08/replacing-bacula-with-backuppc/comment-page-1/#comment-1327</link>
		<dc:creator>James Pearce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2011 11:56:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be, but my logs don&#039;t show that . I use rsync for some hosts too, so it isn&#039;t the backup method. For me, BackupPC shows the top level directory / directories that the backups begin in, but there is no information after that. I know that according to the documentation it is supposed to show 1 line per file when the logging verbosity is set to 1, but I have had 3 installations and none of them ever have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be, but my logs don&#8217;t show that . I use rsync for some hosts too, so it isn&#8217;t the backup method. For me, BackupPC shows the top level directory / directories that the backups begin in, but there is no information after that. I know that according to the documentation it is supposed to show 1 line per file when the logging verbosity is set to 1, but I have had 3 installations and none of them ever have.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Wagner</title>
		<link>http://www.tolaris.com/2009/10/08/replacing-bacula-with-backuppc/comment-page-1/#comment-1316</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 13:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t use the tar method, only rsync. With that, all files copied are in the log. Merged files are not listed. Is that what you are looking for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t use the tar method, only rsync. With that, all files copied are in the log. Merged files are not listed. Is that what you are looking for?</p>
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		<title>By: James Pearce</title>
		<link>http://www.tolaris.com/2009/10/08/replacing-bacula-with-backuppc/comment-page-1/#comment-1314</link>
		<dc:creator>James Pearce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2011 01:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Horses for courses I think. I&#039;ve used BackupPC for many years at home and look at what else is out there in the open source market every couple of years. 

My two pet annoyances with BackupPC are firstly, that it has a tendency to give strange tar errors (they don&#039;t match the exact error the command line gives for the same tar command over SSH) making initial backups sometimes hard to setup. Secondly, I cannot find a facility in BackupPC for showing the full list of files that was backed up in a particular session. Browsing the backups tends to &#039;fill&#039; from the last full backup (as I have mine set to do this) and so isn&#039;t very useful for auditing. 

Still, with a little bit of blind faith that &#039;no error email = successful backups&#039;, BackupPC has been much nicer. I will probably shift as my underlying storage environment becomes more heterogeneous (I am starting to use tapes more) as managing different storage pools in Bacula seems easier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Horses for courses I think. I&#8217;ve used BackupPC for many years at home and look at what else is out there in the open source market every couple of years. </p>
<p>My two pet annoyances with BackupPC are firstly, that it has a tendency to give strange tar errors (they don&#8217;t match the exact error the command line gives for the same tar command over SSH) making initial backups sometimes hard to setup. Secondly, I cannot find a facility in BackupPC for showing the full list of files that was backed up in a particular session. Browsing the backups tends to &#8216;fill&#8217; from the last full backup (as I have mine set to do this) and so isn&#8217;t very useful for auditing. </p>
<p>Still, with a little bit of blind faith that &#8216;no error email = successful backups&#8217;, BackupPC has been much nicer. I will probably shift as my underlying storage environment becomes more heterogeneous (I am starting to use tapes more) as managing different storage pools in Bacula seems easier.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler Wagner</title>
		<link>http://www.tolaris.com/2009/10/08/replacing-bacula-with-backuppc/comment-page-1/#comment-678</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler Wagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 14:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The post is only two years old. That&#039;s hardly a fossil. Neither project has exactly jumped a major version number in that time. :) You are always welcome to respond to old posts. If they need updating, I&#039;ll write a new one.

I agree that RAID is not disaster recovery. Cloning your BackupPC pool offsite does meet that need for me, though.

I&#039;m not sure what you mean by &quot;&#039;materializing&#039; a backup to a full filesystem&quot;. But if you mean a bare-metal restore, use BackupPC_tarCreate and pipe it to ssh + tar. That is plenty fast enough for the times I&#039;ve needed it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The post is only two years old. That&#8217;s hardly a fossil. Neither project has exactly jumped a major version number in that time. :) You are always welcome to respond to old posts. If they need updating, I&#8217;ll write a new one.</p>
<p>I agree that RAID is not disaster recovery. Cloning your BackupPC pool offsite does meet that need for me, though.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by &#8220;&#8216;materializing&#8217; a backup to a full filesystem&#8221;. But if you mean a bare-metal restore, use BackupPC_tarCreate and pipe it to ssh + tar. That is plenty fast enough for the times I&#8217;ve needed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Hangas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hangas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2011 12:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this article is old and might be close to a fossil...but I bumped into it today.  Why, because I started to use bacula AND backupPC in tandem. 
Why? Because they aim two different goals.  I DO use tapes! RAID archiving is NOT a disaster recovery solution... maybe disaster prevention but definitely not a recover solution.  In fact some RAID levels, like 5 are very dangerous (check BAARF movement) as it is possible to lose or corrupt an entire array without a single disk failure... silently! I&#039;m now using RAID 10 for critical data.. but I digress..   

I personally do multiple levels of backup. I use snapshoting of virtual machines and backupPC of physical for immediate recovery and then archive the whole set onto a tape library, and this is where bacula is really good at.  It does manage my volumes very nicely and even makes use of the barcode feature of the tape library.  I was using a proprietary solution for the last 5 years and was getting tired of its limitations.  If I eventually end up virtualizing the remaining 2% of our 50+ servers I might end up discontinuing BackupPC but not Bacula.

As for BackupPC, the dedup feature is very nice, but &quot;materializing&quot; a backup to a full filesystem is somewhat I/O intensive. It reals gets my 6TB RAID array to its knees, but its really fast for recovering &quot;that&quot; file that someone deleted by mistake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this article is old and might be close to a fossil&#8230;but I bumped into it today.  Why, because I started to use bacula AND backupPC in tandem.<br />
Why? Because they aim two different goals.  I DO use tapes! RAID archiving is NOT a disaster recovery solution&#8230; maybe disaster prevention but definitely not a recover solution.  In fact some RAID levels, like 5 are very dangerous (check BAARF movement) as it is possible to lose or corrupt an entire array without a single disk failure&#8230; silently! I&#8217;m now using RAID 10 for critical data.. but I digress..   </p>
<p>I personally do multiple levels of backup. I use snapshoting of virtual machines and backupPC of physical for immediate recovery and then archive the whole set onto a tape library, and this is where bacula is really good at.  It does manage my volumes very nicely and even makes use of the barcode feature of the tape library.  I was using a proprietary solution for the last 5 years and was getting tired of its limitations.  If I eventually end up virtualizing the remaining 2% of our 50+ servers I might end up discontinuing BackupPC but not Bacula.</p>
<p>As for BackupPC, the dedup feature is very nice, but &#8220;materializing&#8221; a backup to a full filesystem is somewhat I/O intensive. It reals gets my 6TB RAID array to its knees, but its really fast for recovering &#8220;that&#8221; file that someone deleted by mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: jayaeu</title>
		<link>http://www.tolaris.com/2009/10/08/replacing-bacula-with-backuppc/comment-page-1/#comment-235</link>
		<dc:creator>jayaeu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been using BackupPC for over 5 years now and it has never let me down. The web-interface in 3.x really is all you need to manage a very capable backup system, much easier to use than Bacula&#039;s.

As for filesystems, ext3 isn&#039;t all that bad, except for when the pool is being purged of old files during the night. I achieved best results with JFS, XFS and (recently) ext4. I might try BtrFS in the future, but it seems it still has a long way to go before it&#039;s stable enough for the thrashing BackupPC is going to do to it.

One more hint though: Stay away from LVM2 on the server running BackupPC! If something does go wrong with the harddisk in the RAID on top of logical volumes, it really serves to ruin your last chance of rescuing any data at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been using BackupPC for over 5 years now and it has never let me down. The web-interface in 3.x really is all you need to manage a very capable backup system, much easier to use than Bacula&#8217;s.</p>
<p>As for filesystems, ext3 isn&#8217;t all that bad, except for when the pool is being purged of old files during the night. I achieved best results with JFS, XFS and (recently) ext4. I might try BtrFS in the future, but it seems it still has a long way to go before it&#8217;s stable enough for the thrashing BackupPC is going to do to it.</p>
<p>One more hint though: Stay away from LVM2 on the server running BackupPC! If something does go wrong with the harddisk in the RAID on top of logical volumes, it really serves to ruin your last chance of rescuing any data at all.</p>
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		<title>By: OrangeComputer</title>
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		<dc:creator>OrangeComputer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also a big fan of backuppc. Thankfully, I haven&#039;t had to do a major restore yet. But the peace of mind that backuppc provides is great. At my previous workplace, I configured backuppc for Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows clients. Once properly set up, it worked great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also a big fan of backuppc. Thankfully, I haven&#8217;t had to do a major restore yet. But the peace of mind that backuppc provides is great. At my previous workplace, I configured backuppc for Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows clients. Once properly set up, it worked great.</p>
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		<title>By: tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.tolaris.com/2009/10/08/replacing-bacula-with-backuppc/comment-page-1/#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 08:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas,

If I had it to do over again, I would probably use a different filesystem.  But ext3 has worked so far with our cpool and the server has no issues with the other stuff it does (syslog collection and analysis, plus the backuppc web interface).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas,</p>
<p>If I had it to do over again, I would probably use a different filesystem.  But ext3 has worked so far with our cpool and the server has no issues with the other stuff it does (syslog collection and analysis, plus the backuppc web interface).</p>
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